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cancer on the planet...

08-10-2007   #11
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Wow interesting subject and discussion.

Too many people equate intelligence with education. I know we study philosophy and logic but do we really understand. We should right from the beginning at school be teaching what making a choice is and how to arrive at a decision. Did not philosophy begin with Socratic method. And no I do not mean Platos own implementation of it. But the pure Socratic stance of question everything and find as many sides to an argument before one arrives at a conclusion.

What we end up with is sheep. And all of us are to some point. We each of us follow. Even the so called leader will follow at some point. While we allow ourselves to be manipulated by others decisions we will not really solve any problems. All of us are easily swayed by emotional arguments.

Religion like most other forms of government, and it is a form of government, creates heards of sheep that are easily manipulable. Hence throughout history religious leaders have been able to promulgate wars where a cultural difference is obvious by using emotional arguments about the other culture being unbelievers, or not having god on their side. This is probably the easiest to see use of the emotional argument.

So I think what we really need to do is to learn to make decisions that will actually benefit each other and to do it as individuals, this way the change will be permanent and hopefully we wont have to have a war about it.

Cheers

Collin

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09-04-2007   #12
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We can all wish , but seriously i think that the only way to save this planet is to set off a massive EMP to render all technology useless, the energy it takes to just produce one car equates to tonnes of emmissions, all of which directly or indirectly are destroying our enviroment,

I dont believe that its right to say lets do this or lets do that,, as until the people who are truly against pollution/global warming actually practice what they preach by stopping the consuming , are as much to blame as the rest of us ie; me

We are all consumers whether we like it or not, so i say stuff worrying about the death of this planet, its going to happen anyway so why waste time worrying about it?

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09-04-2007   #13
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We can all wish , but seriously i think that the only way to save this planet is to set off a massive EMP to render all technology useless, the energy it takes to just produce one car equates to tonnes of emmissions, all of which directly or indirectly are destroying our enviroment,

I dont believe that its right to say lets do this or lets do that,, as until the people who are truly against pollution/global warming actually practice what they preach by stopping the consuming , are as much to blame as the rest of us ie; me

We are all consumers whether we like it or not, so i say stuff worrying about the death of this planet, its going to happen anyway so why waste time worrying about it?

My mom also said that this world is going to hell..On Alchocol Slicked Highway...

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09-04-2007   #14
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Hey I have a neighbor that beats his wife is an hopeless case can't change him should I just let it go and not do nothing because it's hopeless and he might stop beating his wife but will start up with an another woman at one point why should I bother can't change the man it will happen anyway.

Earth is the same not because it looks hopeless that we should not try and it starts with our individual actions even if a small one.

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09-04-2007   #15
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right thatsit im sayin NO to plastic! barbie n ken, uve gotta go!

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09-05-2007   #16
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right thatsit im sayin NO to plastic! barbie n ken, uve gotta go!
At 12, years of age, I actually had my Birds and Bees education from Barbie and Ken, LMAO...

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09-05-2007   #17
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Hey I have a neighbor that beats his wife is an hopeless case can't change him should I just let it go and not do nothing because it's hopeless and he might stop beating his wife but will start up with an another woman at one point why should I bother can't change the man it will happen anyway.

Earth is the same not because it looks hopeless that we should not try and it starts with our individual actions even if a small one.


Report it...even if it only means the cops do 1 visit...might put the scare in him or give her the guts to get the hell out of there....it's all too late when she's dead...

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with people like that theres no "might"..he wont stop....do something to help her

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09-05-2007   #18
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Hey I have a neighbor that beats his wife is an hopeless case can't change him should I just let it go and not do nothing because it's hopeless and he might stop beating his wife but will start up with an another woman at one point why should I bother can't change the man it will happen anyway.

Earth is the same not because it looks hopeless that we should not try and it starts with our individual actions even if a small one.

I hear you but it cant be done,

Because of our own taste for easy living,
Have you got a tv?, do you use fly spray, soap? shampoo??
Everything you have, wear, use, consume from the time you wake up in the morning needs vast amounts of energy to produce...

So how are you going to change it with a small individual action, im curious?
The end of the world will happen , just a matter of when, and small actions will only delay the inevitable , by perhaps a few minutes at most,
It all sounds good ive heard it a hundred times from well wishers,

So as i said why waste time worrying about it and trying to change it by using monounsaturated instead of polyunsaturated,, just enjoy the journey and let the next gen worry about it, if there is one

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09-05-2007   #19
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Report it...even if it only means the cops do 1 visit...might put the scare in him or give her the guts to get the hell out of there....it's all too late when she's dead...

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with people like that theres no "might"..he wont stop....do something to help her


Don't worry no real asshole neighbor like that he would be dead already if I had one like that, it was just an example I was using.

150 years ago pollution wasn't an issue why can't we hope that in a 150 year in the future we won't be saying how we were lucky that people woke up and change the course of history not in one day but in the long run. I might be a dreamer but I rather dream then give up.

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10-03-2007   #20
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DEAR EVERYONE,

MY FRIEND HAS JUST PUBLISHED THIS PIECE ON HIS WEBSITE...

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY...
WHAT DO REST OF YOU THINK?

HUGS TO ALL FROM SCORPIO WOMAN AND CATS.

How many times can a cake be sliced before it
collapses into crumbs ?

Our three million years has still not been enough to
enable us to think beyond ourselves. Great intellect
and imagination have not been of any benefit in saving
us from ourselves, because they've been applied
without wisdom. The mentality that everything is for
the taking - a resource, that nature and the planet
will always provide, with the stubborn and blind
refusal to believe that they are tired, and crushed
under the weight of our insatiable demands.
Think of everything you have used in your life, then
imagine it heaped into one pile, this pile will not
include all that you are still to use, and then
multiply it by hundreds of millions. It's easy to see
how we are breeding and consuming ourselves off the
the face of planet, the open plains have been overrun,
we have encroached and invaded everywhere, and have
finally reached the the limits of the world, and still
we continue to devour, to cannibalise, and turn it
into a slag heap.

The worst offenders of this species of consumers are
the educated, they need the latest in consumer
products, to display their status, and they need to be
replaced often, so they need to consume on the grand
scale. It is their show of consumer plumage, to dazzle
and impress. This scent of possessions is used to mark
their social territory, to impress and attract, like a
lion pissing to mark it's territory, only they piss
products to mark theirs.

We are an industrious species, unable to set
boundaries, unwilling to accept them, who have turned
the business of destruction into fine art, we see
products and ownership in everything, even the map of
our existence. What else can we observe in this
species of humans? Our tribal mentality continually
sees tribes pitted against each other, we take pride
in the tribal Empires of the past, which our species
has continually destroyed and remade, and we see them
as having provided us with a rich heritage. We have
analysed the interactions, the rise and fall of these
tribes, their wars and achievements, but only as they
relate to the human species, not their net effects on
the habitat, those non-returnable debits that they
have made from it.

This ascent of man, when you look at it, does not seem
to be much more than a continual chain of one culture
destroying another. And the achievements that follow,
those great peaks of civilization, were not benign but
were built on the subjugation and misery of others.

What if we are a weed species, with a genetic
disposition to creating predator societies that
invade, conquer and either assimilate or destroy other
cultures. What if we are not the best of the human
species to have survived ? What if through cunning and
aggression we wiped out a less aggressive relative to
secure our own path. Perhaps the less technological
cultures we have displaced, who were able to live in
their environments for vast periods of time could have
developed less destructive solutions for the survival
of the species, and, the planet.

The empires of the past tribes of men have yielded
their bones and stones, but nothing we have divined in
them can save the empire of man. If the chain reaction
of man is unstoppable, how long will it be until we
reach critical mass, and how will we know when we have
reached it ?

As we wake each morning we can know with certainty,
that the day will see us continue to expand the human
empire, the family plot will be further subdivided,
and we will continue to peel the skin off the face of
the earth to accommodate ourselves.

Each morning, schools and universities will fill with
students that they will educate in the arts of making
us want, manufacture, and consume more. Countless
creative minds will be turned to creating new
products, some to design them, others to manufacture,
others to convince us to buy, in continually more
sophisticated ways they analyse and categorise their
targets.

As if addicted to our own destruction, we continually
refine ways to make ourselves want more, when we
should want, and need, to live with less.

Nowhere do they teach how to consume or want less,
there are no executives trained in it, because there
is no profit in it, and the world, has no use for
people that will not make, or create a profit.

So, here we are, back at the original question, how
many times can a cake be sliced before it collapses
into crumbs ?

i agree, but are we disagreeing? or are we trying to change things? No, by using the ultimate marketing tool(internet) we reinforce these ideas we end up supporting these horrible systems of government,global policy, capitalism, etc.

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